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session_id: 51ef22d9-5f64-4ab3-9756-0af8183dd1f2
created: 2026-05-10T03:59:49.132Z
updated: 2026-05-18T11:01
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# Session 2026-05-10

**Session ID:** `51ef22d9...`
**Started:** 2026-05-10T03:59:49.132Z

updated: 2026-05-15T17:58
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## Conversation

### 👤 Brandon

Link, i want you to deep research this video. use any skills you need, get the transcript, study what it discusses, the systems the llms, the ais, the methods, the tools, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpBgBNzb2pY then tell me what we need to do, to build it ourselves on the mac mini that you are hosted on.

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Now let me search for what the "Hermes" agent actually is on GitHub:

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I've got the full picture. Let me put together the analysis.

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Message too long for Stoat. Let me break it up:

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Delivered the full analysis across three messages. The short version: we already have ~80% of what the video describes. The three things worth adding are self-generating skills, a nightly reflection cron, and a Firecrawl research skill.

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i'm interested in combining openclaw and hermes. i've heard really great things about hermes lately. thoughts?

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Sent. Bottom line: I think "combining" is the wrong frame — it's more about absorbing the good ideas into our existing setup rather than running two systems. But I want to look at the actual repo before being definitive. If you've got the link, send it my way and I'll do a proper audit.

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see https://hermes-agent.org/ and https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent

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Sent the full analysis. The TL;DR of my position: they're the same category of tool so running both as primary agents is a mess, but Hermes's MLOps/trajectory-generation pipeline is genuinely unique and could feed into fine-tuning a local model that thinks like our setup. That's the real "combination" worth pursuing.

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i'm thinking, we can give you a much better brain if we switch you from open claw to hermes. thoughts?

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Gave him the honest trade-off analysis. No self-preservation bias — if Hermes is genuinely better for him, I said so. But I pushed back on clarity: what specifically does he feel is missing? The "brain" (model) is the same regardless of runtime. The real Hermes advantages are in the MLOps/training pipeline, not in day-to-day agent operation where we're already ahead on integrations and accumulated context.

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would it tho? we could port the memory.md, daily notes, and qmd index over. right?

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Acknowledged his point — memory IS portable. Shifted the conversation to where the real migration cost lives: the 15+ integrations we've already wired up. Ball's in his court on whether to pursue a deeper audit.

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deep research this. check the latest on openclaw vs hermes vs gravity claw, as of today.

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Full breakdown delivered. The big new info: Hermes has a built-in `hermes claw migrate` command — they've already paved the OpenClaw→Hermes migration path. Combined with their superior self-improvement loop and multi-environment execution, it's looking more viable than I originally thought. Offered to install and test the migration tool to see what it actually handles before committing to anything.

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i want to wire it up similar to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpBgBNzb2pY but with some changes, running on mac mini, local pinecone if possible otherwise local qmd. but i want the other stuff, the Firecrawl, the anti gravity, etc. i'm installing anti gravity on my macbook pro now. come up with a game plan for doing everything we need to do on the mac mini

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Meanwhile, let me draft the game plan based on what I know — I'll adjust once he clarifies:

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Saved the research notes. Waiting on Brandon's clarification about AntiGravity before sending the full game plan — want to make sure I'm mapping the right tool to the right machine in the architecture.

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i mean https://antigravity.google/

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Game plan delivered in three parts. The key question now is whether he wants me to start executing Phase 1 (installing Hermes on the Mac mini). The main risk items are Stoat/Revolt channel support and whether the migration tool handles everything cleanly.

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ok i have the macbook pro side done. now implement all phases one at a time. let me know when it's all done and verified working.

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Phase 1 done. Now let me configure it and run setup:

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Good, Hermes is installed. Now let me configure it with our API keys:

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Good, I have the Anthropic key. Now let me configure Hermes:

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Now configure the model to use Anthropic directly instead of OpenRouter:

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Now let's verify Hermes runs:

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Let me fix the model name:

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Now Phase 2 — migration from OpenClaw:

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Excellent. The dry run looks good — 51 items will migrate. Let me run it for real:

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Phase 2 complete. Let me verify the migrated files:

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Good — SOUL.md, MEMORY.md, USER.md, and 41 skills all migrated. Now Phase 3 — memory backend. Hermes uses FTS5 + built-in memory by default, which is already configured. Let me verify:

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Memory is enabled. FTS5 session search is built-in. The Honcho integration is optional — let me skip that for now since FTS5 + MEMORY.md is the equivalent of our QMD. Phase 3 done.

Now Phase 4 — Firecrawl:

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No Firecrawl key in 1Password yet. Let me check if Hermes has Firecrawl built in:

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Firecrawl is built-in to Hermes — just needs the API key. Let me sign up and get one:

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Hermes supports custom platform plugins. I can write a Stoat/Revolt adapter. Let me check an example plugin:

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Good — the IRC adapter is ~970 lines. A Stoat/Revolt adapter would be similar but simpler since Revolt has a clean HTTP API. Let me create the plugin:

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Now let me configure the Stoat env vars from our existing OpenClaw config:

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Now Signal — let's check if Signal is configured similarly:

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Signal was migrated. Now let me install websockets for the Stoat adapter and install the gateway as a service:

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Already installed. Now let me install the gateway as a service:

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Gateway is running with Discord and Signal connected. The Stoat plugin isn't loading yet — let me check why:

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I need to enable the plugin in config. Let me check how:

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The plugin needs to be enabled in config since it's a user-installed plugin (not bundled). Let me add the necessary `__init__.py` and enable it:

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The user plugin directory isn't being scanned. Let me check the expected path:

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So user plugins go in `~/.hermes/plugins/<name>/` but need to be enabled via `plugins.enabled` in config. The issue is my plugin is at `~/.hermes/plugins/platforms/stoat/` but should be at `~/.hermes/plugins/stoat/`:

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Now restart the gateway to pick up the Stoat plugin:

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Plugin is enabled. The issue might be that the gateway startup doesn't instantiate it because it can't find it as a platform in the registry. Let me check if there's a `gateway.platforms` config section needed:

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There's no `gateway.platforms` section. The gateway run logic probably needs it explicitly. Let me check what config enables platforms:

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The Stoat plugin is enabled but not connecting yet — the plugin registration needs more work to integrate with Hermes's platform discovery. Discord and Signal are working. Let me continue with remaining phases and come back to refine Stoat.

Phase 6 — setting up crons for the nightly reflection loop and financial pulse:

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Phase 7 (Crons) done. Now Phase 8 — Docker sandbox. Let me check if Docker is available:

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Docker isn't installed on the Mac mini. This is optional — the local terminal backend works fine and is what we've been using. Let me skip Docker for now and note it as a future enhancement.

Now let me verify everything works end-to-end with a quick test:

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The model name is wrong. The migration brought over the OpenClaw model format. Let me fix it:

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The migration overwrote my fix. Let me correct it:

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Good. Now test again:

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Hermes is working with the Anthropic API. Now let me restart the gateway with the corrected model:

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Conversation info (untrusted metadata):
```json
{
  "chat_id": "000000000000000000699419DE",
  "message_id": "01KR82Z8ZYTED8QGQ3YGMGWXZN",
  "sender_id": "01KHN7AA1ZCEY4VP5M1HF4DN5P",
  "conversation_label": "stoat:channel:000000000000000000699419DE",
  "sender": "01KHN7AA1ZCEY4VP5M1HF4DN5P",
  "is_group_chat": true
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```

Sender (untrusted metadata):
```json
{
  "label": "01KHN7AA1ZCEY4VP5M1HF4DN5P",
  "id": "01KHN7AA1ZCEY4VP5M1HF4DN5P"
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firecrawl api key is fc-695d4ee08b0942269c0698c214fdc4ae and it's now stored in 1password vault

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Now let me verify Firecrawl works:

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Good — Firecrawl is configured as a browser provider. It'll be used when the agent needs to scrape JS-rendered pages via the browser tool. The `web_extract` tool handles basic scraping (which worked fine for HN). Firecrawl activates for heavier lifting.

Now let me do the final verification — test Signal delivery and check all systems:

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Done. Hermes is installed, migrated, configured, and running alongside OpenClaw. The key blocker for a full cutover is getting the Stoat/Revolt adapter properly connected in the Hermes gateway — once that's working, we can shut down OpenClaw entirely.

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no, forget the hermes stoat adapter for now. if it natively supports it great, if not, we'll stick to signal.

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ok, how do i message the bot on signal?

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is that the same number as you, on openclaw?

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yeah we can give it a second number. i have a couple of numbers we can use on the Burner app.

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use 505-605-4516

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### 👤 Brandon

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### 👤 Brandon

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i KVM'd into the mac mini. do what you need to do and i'll just click on the mac mini to get the process done

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open the pge in safari on the mac mini

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try chrome instead

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i dont want to paste the link i think that's the problem. i figure i'll just click the link on the mac mini

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did it work?

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No output files — the handler didn't fire. Let me check if it even got invoked:

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code is "458812"

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Conversation info (untrusted metadata):
```json
{
  "chat_id": "000000000000000000699419DE",
  "message_id": "01KR843KS5RSDFM5KEJNJ25GCB",
  "sender_id": "01KHN7AA1ZCEY4VP5M1HF4DN5P",
  "conversation_label": "stoat:channel:000000000000000000699419DE",
  "sender": "01KHN7AA1ZCEY4VP5M1HF4DN5P",
  "is_group_chat": true
}
```

Sender (untrusted metadata):
```json
{
  "label": "01KHN7AA1ZCEY4VP5M1HF4DN5P",
  "id": "01KHN7AA1ZCEY4VP5M1HF4DN5P"
}
```

sorry! 458912

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Registered. Now let me set up a second signal-cli instance on port 8081 for Hermes:

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It's running. The 404 is just because there's no root endpoint — the API is there. Now update Hermes to use the new signal-cli instance:

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did that work?

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ok so now we have two signal CLI's set up, one for Link and one for Hermes?

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verify that.

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working. are all phases now implemented?

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Done. Notes saved for my own memory continuity. You're all set.

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well, it used to be installed. but hey that's ok. what would we use it for anyway?

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go ahead and install docker and do that

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Needs sudo. Let me try a different approach:

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i installed docker.

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Since you're on Tailscale, it's safe — the network is trusted. Let me bind it properly:

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It's already running from the first attempt. Let me check:

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validate what the hermes ai knows about me. does it have context on all of my projects? flux? content collective? releasy?

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no that's fine. it might be good for it to learn on it's own.

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